ZelphuS LV.23 Good Leader
Jun 17, 2021, 09:14 PM 965 read

[EMERGENCY] It is not acceptable for the futur !?

BUGS & REPORT
DESTINY CHILD: BUGS & REPORT - [EMERGENCY] It is not acceptable for the futur !? image 9

Hello, Dev's Team !   The hour is very, very SERIOUS!   Could I have some explanation about this story? : CN : https://moot.us/lounges/240/boards/1154/posts/5403543?page=2#comments

GL : https://moot.us/lounges/73/boards/289/posts/5403849/statistical-survey-shows-that-the-claimed-lupin-drawing-probability-may-be-inauthentic

  June 3 was my birthday, you finally gave me "Lupin" on this fabulous game, about which I speak with passion, I am even moderator on the TapTap forum thank you again for your attention.   Please read my post carefully and understand the gravity of the situation, the Lupine banner was eagerly awaited, trusting you I didn't know you could do internal hacks on his banner stats, unfortunately I'm forced to see, that in addition to this problem I promoted this character, and I told my community to summon all the crystals on this character because he is very good, in the end you betrayed my trust by making this banner illegal , not genuine.   Following this betrayal I would like the restitution of all the crystals on this banner spent, because for some there are some who have spent up to 120k crystals for 1 single copy, and it is very serious.   You have to take responsibility for your actions, otherwise with this destroyed trust you will lose me (I am not worth anything I put 0 € in the game but I talk about you and I have been doing content on you for 3 years now practically), and lose a lot of players.   I invite all players to make a ticket to request a full refund of the Lupine banner for this absolute scandal, thanks to the Chinese community for responding to the issue, I also stand by your side to restore order, the justice and trust on Destiny Child, otherwise unfortunately this game is going to have to die in my house.   I also bounce back from the worldboss problem, you ask to kill 250 - 300 - 350 ... but as worldboss exists we never exceeded this number, it would be time to reduce their health or leave a HOT TIME in in permanently, we are not the Korean server.   This compensation does practically nothing of all the resources accumulated over time for his banner, I find it really light, even if it is better than nothing many would see this compensation as an insult because the theft is much more important, there is evidence, not to mention the unacceptable behavior of some members of your team.   If you have any arguments to prove to me that the theft did not take place, I am ready to read your arguments.   Please believe in the assurance of my sincere greetings,   Greetings,   ZelphuS  

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  • Eky Ekypotamciel LV.2 Lurker Jun 17, 2021, 09:30 PM

    You have to make things right from now on. And give a much better gift than random 5*.
    Choosing boxs of 2021 childs, or refond cristals lost in lupin banner.
    50k cristals for nothing in my case.
    And i do have spend 50 euros in the game this month.

  • Sunine LV.5 Merry Christmas! Jun 17, 2021, 11:30 PM
  • ZelphuS LV.23 Good Leader Jun 17, 2021, 11:42 PM

    Hi Sunine,

    Thanks for your post, i going to update my post on moot and taptap with your new link !

    I see only your post in chinese with a link !

    I need to see the truth from dev's team !

    I made a correct post I hope to support your movement!

  • JKLegend LV.7 Nomad Jun 17, 2021, 09:16 PM

    This! It's unacceptable!

  • Kodine LV.6 Nomad Jun 17, 2021, 09:44 PM

    Trust has been betrayed.
    best we go elsewhere.

  • 爱看热闹的吃瓜群众 LV.2 Lurker Jun 18, 2021, 01:49 AM

    Hey dude. Thanks for sharing this message to all players, to show you guys are standing with us, me as a member of Chinese community. Glad to see you guys standing up against such mistakes, especially when GM Daisy (official account) created a account which try to make cliffs between gamers among Chinese players. As a DC player, it’s unacceptable to see such ridiculous things happen. Again Thank you guys!

  • Aeon LV.4 Lurker Jun 17, 2021, 09:47 PM

    I thought something seemed off on her banner. My second multi I somehow got a double of her on the 1%. After that over 130k crystals and she never appeared again. 16 off banner 5☆'s that went to HoR along with over 40 5☆ tickets to only get 2 more copies of her. This "compensation" doesn't help me at all for all the resources I poured in to only get her at +5.

  • WWHaT LV.2 Lurker Jun 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

    Thanks for posting this and bringing attention of this situation to more people

  • CM Alt LV.23 GameManager Jun 18, 2021, 03:04 PM

    Dear ZelphuS,
    Thank you for informing us about the issue.
    If I may explain, Destiny Child's Rates Display is directly linked
    to the actual rates from the applied data.
    What has not been shown in the Rates Display
    cannot be reflected as in-game phenomenon.
    Thanks once again

  • ZelphuS LV.23 Good Leader Jun 18, 2021, 05:40 PM


    Can you investigate to verify your claims?

    According to the post in Chinese, destiny child a replied that this kind of error was possible, please check and compensate the community if there was an error.

    If you do not follow up on the post after this message we now know what we are playing, and that's a very sad news.

    So according to SHIFT UP everyone was just unlucky because they are innocent the banner was business as usual, I can't believe seeing all the trouble with Lupin's banner.

    I would like explanations that are clearer than fair, it is the same rate as the one posted, but unfortunately I have serious doubts after the apology response with the generous compensation it had never happened since we hit or have a hard time on WBs and managing your team.

    We all know that the rate traffic on the banners can be rigged especially on the intended characters, take your responsibilities and give us a real answer about the Lupine banner.

    Sincerely, Zelphus

  • CM Alt LV.23 GameManager Jun 18, 2021, 06:22 PM

    Dear ZelphuS,

    We are informing you that any kind of error
    regarding the difference between
    Destiny Child's Rate Display and
    the actual in-game phenomenon
    is not possible to occur.

    If you could kindly inform us in which Chinese community post has the CM replied that any kind of error was possible in Destiny Child, we will investigate further regarding user communication.

    Thanks and Regards,

  • ZelphuS LV.23 Good Leader Jun 18, 2021, 07:07 PM

    I show you the screen, why Destiny Child does not respond like you instead of saying that they will check, because if there are checks to be made it is possible to have an error it is this ambiguous answer in particular which fed my doubts on the reliability of the tariff banner on Destiny Child, logically since the release of the game we trust you, after
    to tell us it's just general bad luck on Lupine for a lot of players, I want to say well it's the game, but if there was an error, there must be repair that seems logical to me.

    Warmly,

  • muymanwell LV.11 Chief Jun 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

    I spent $0 in the past 6 weeks in the game..only rolled into Lupin's event with 80k crystals, and still got her to +6. RNG is just that, RANDOM. You had bad luck this pull, it happens. They made no adjustments on the backend. Go back to posting your youtube videos that are just compilations of others' work and stop whining.

  • [MMOSLASH] Solanor LV.17 Let’s play Destiny! Jun 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

    No it's not just bad luck YOU got very lucky, whales on the Chinese community tested it and they discovered that they ninja nerfed lupin's banners.

  • muymanwell LV.11 Chief Jun 17, 2021, 10:45 PM

    you mean the 1 post of 1 person's statistics, which don't fall far enough into "Statistical Anomaly" that they would be flagged? There is oversight for games like this on their rates, which is why they're published and checked. If they were found to fail to meet those rates, they'd lose their publishing rights, etc.

  • Sunine LV.5 Merry Christmas! Jun 17, 2021, 11:19 PM

    What do you mean by oversight? Checked by whom?

    Just so you know, Shift up has done that before and got caught by Korean players in the early times of Korea server.

    And BTW, saying "don't fall far enough into Statistical Anomaly" implies you don't understand my analysis at all. Or why don't you show what you learned and try to persuade me that my analysis is wrong?

  • Sunine LV.5 Merry Christmas! Jun 17, 2021, 11:23 PM

    Come on, show me what you learned in your Statistics class.

  • Cheesaw LV.19 Assassin Jun 18, 2021, 12:06 AM

    It's not only possible that your analysis is wrong, I feel that it's likely wrong.

    The survey of players was most likely skewed. The poll was supposed to be random, right? But you'd have to consider who's MOST LIKELY to answer the questions. I would postulate that those who DIDN'T get what they deserved would be the ones most likely to participate in the poll, ESPECIALLY if they knew the intent was to find out whether the rates were incorrect. The poll wasn't "blind", as the poll creators never hid their intent. Intrinsic bias.

    Also, the numbers don't account for statistical variance. They show like this: .002754
    When they should show like this : . 002754 +/-.0005.

    Basically, the numbers are not facts. They are based on a tainted survey, that probably skews negatively and the conclusion doesn't allow for variance in the final numbers.

  • ZelphuS LV.23 Good Leader Jun 18, 2021, 12:11 AM

    So according to you, they are innocent and his report and 100% false it is impossible that SHIFT UP could have mistaken for you, I am waiting for an official response on this and I will not let go, if we are robbed, we must be reimbursed.

  • Cheesaw LV.19 Assassin Jun 18, 2021, 01:00 AM

    ZelphuS  I never said any of that.

    What I said was that the analysis was amateurish, likely skewed, and didn't offer definitive proof of anything.

    Could the rates be off? Sure, but to go around stating that it's a fact that they're off is wrong.

    Seeking a direct answer from the developers is definitely not a bad thing, but I have a suspicion that no matter what answer they give some people will still be dissatisfied.

    The real question is "why"? Why would the company lower the rates secretly when they make money any time a new character is introduced? What would be the advantage of a rate that is 10% less than 3%? I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but it just doesn't seem to be a smart decision for a company to endanger their money maker to squeeze out a couple of pennies.

    Reminds me of the only time I've heard of a casino getting shut down for impropriety. They had improperly weighted roulette balls. They were shut down for two months after it was found out. They lost, literally, millions. For what? A couple hundred, or maybe thousands of dollars?

    I hope my faith is justified in the end. I've been in love with Hyung Tae Kim's artwork for A LONG time (I collect his art books, in fact). I would hate for his company to be unethical, because I would be gone like the wind.

  • OhNoBees LV.7 Nomad Jun 18, 2021, 05:27 AM

    Cheesaw  Cheesaw adds some wisdom to this discussion.

    I don't claim to remember any of the statistics I learned in school, but it seems to me that:

    1. I don't really see a big difference in the guaranteed and single pickup summon, despite statistical findings. Although the Lupin-Ophois results are interesting.

    2. Statistics are calculated probabilities, not actualities, and there are instances where a single Empirical study might not accurately represent reality. But if we were to receive more survey studies like this consistently from other Players it would be interesting.

    3. Failing to reach correlation doesn't disprove something, it just fails to prove it. So I don't think we can assume illegality based on the evidence that the expected number of Lupin draws weren't reached. We can only confirm that there is a discrepancy.

    4. Cheesaw has a point that the samples might not have been randomly selected, and might show bias towards a lack of Lupin draws, and so might not be a perfect sample.

    I'm not defending anything. I have no idea whether something's been going on or not, but it might be fair to ask for more evidence before accusing anyone of rigging DC.

  • M00N LV.24 Bamboozled Jun 18, 2021, 03:14 AM

    Very well put. Intrinsic bias is also what builts up this hole discussions’ current momentum. Also, the numbers are too low to show statistical significance.
    Nevertheless, I like that the community is looking for this discussion and it has been in the developers best interest to come up with their current statement and adjustments.

  • MisakiSakaki LV.9 Nomad Jun 17, 2021, 10:45 PM

    CM Daisy's alt detected

  • Tony Li LV.6 Nomad Jun 18, 2021, 04:34 AM

    I spent 40k crystal on the new Semele banner and only got 1 copy and I stopped because I knew that my luck has run out...But on Lupin banner I spent 40k crystal or so and got 6 copies. I think it's just all rng. I mean unless there are a bigger survey I don't view this as any conclusion evidence. But thanks for pointing it out and if the dev is doing something illegal, hopefully this will give them a wake up call.

  • Zagpak LV.10 Nomad Jun 18, 2021, 03:53 PM

    I personally spent all my crystals (about 65k) on the banner Ophois 0.75 and Lupin 0.75 then I get 0 Lupin like other people. I know that propabilities should be with caution but as the statistical study shows, this banner had a very low rate....
    For the rest (WB +400, CM DAISY ... the team seems to be going in the right direction)

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